Introduction
During the early 1980s, while first living in Franklin County, Massachusetts, I became active with other Vietnam veterans in response to the myriad physical, psychological, and social problems we seemed to be experiencing. I was active in a local Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) chapter, and subsequently became director of the state-funded Western Massachusetts Agent Orange Information Project, and later, executive director of a veterans outreach center.
Through numerous conversations and formal interviews with hundreds of veterans I began to establish an empirical substantiation of the syndrome of problems that certainly is one of the tragic legacies of the Vietnam War (i.e., the war against the Vietnamese which the Vietnamese call "the American War"). Grasping the depth of the prevailing sense of shame, malaise, and deteriorating physical and mental health, I began to understand more deeply both the burden and incredible potential wisdom of the war, not just for veterans, but for the entire American society. Both the syndrome known as PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder), often delayed for a decade or more enabling the psyche time to integrate the horrible realities that the Vietnam experience possesses for many, and exposure to the most intensive application of chemical warfare in history by the Pentagon (in cahoots with seven chemical companies, including Monsanto and Dow), directly contributed to a myriad of symptoms, physical, emotional, and psychic. A pattern of extraordinary sickness and depression for this age group of young males (age 30-45 in 1984-85) is believed unprecedented in the United States.
Nineteen million gallons of Agents Orange, Blue, White, and Purple were sprayed over an area the size of Rhode Island and Massachusetts combined (over 6 million acres), applied up to 14 times the recommended domestic agricultural application rate. Subsequently, these chemicals have been banned in the U.S. due to their intense toxicity, being considered, perhaps, the most potent cancer-causing substance ever studied by the Environmental Protection Agency. It should be noted that the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, based on studies conducted by the National Academy of Sciences ‘ Institute of Medicine, now presumes the following conditions as service-connected for Vietnam veterans who were exposed to Agent Orange or other herbicides:
- Chloracne
- Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma
- Soft tissue sarcoma
- Hodgkin’s disease
- Porphyria cutanea tarda
- Multiple myeloma
- Respiratory cancers (including cancers of the lung, larynx, trachea and bronchus)
- Prostate cancer
- Peripheral neuropathy (acute or subacute)
- Spina bifida in children of Vietnam veterans
Mortality Rates for Vietnam Veterans
There have been a number of representations and claims over the years that more Vietnam veterans have died from suicide since returning from the war than the 58,000-plus who died in the war. There is no certain way for determining precise data on veterans’ suicides. My involvement with many physically and mentally troubled veterans, and search of "scientific" data about the subject of mortality rates of Vietnam veterans, produced the following information by mid-1986.
When first conversing with local veterans in rural Franklin County, Massachusetts in mid-1983, they informed me that there had been four suicides of local Vietnam veterans between 1981 and June 1983.
Phil Girard, in 1982 the Senior Vice President, Agent Orange Victims International, reported at a public meeting at Greenfield, Massachusetts Community College (April 17) that their organizational research indicated that "from the end of the war to 1981 there have been 109,000 veterans who have died."
An unpublished manuscript, Vietnam Veterans, by Tom Williams, University of Denver School of Professional Psychology, April 1979, concluded that "More Vietnam veterans have died since the war by their own hand than were actually killed in Vietnam."
Testimony presented to the Massachusetts Commission on the Concerns of Vietnam veterans in Greenfield, Massachusetts on May 4, 1982, declared that "Vietnam veterans have nationally averaged 28 suicides a day since 1975, amounting to over 70,000."
"Suicide rates 33% higher than the national average rate" were reported in The Forgotten Warrior Project by John P. Wilson, Cleveland State University, 1978. This definitive study was originally titled, Identity, Ideology and Crisis: The Vietnam Veteran in Transition.
A classified VA memo dated 6/30/82 identified a total of approximately 300,000 deaths occurring among Vietnam-era veterans from 1965-1981 calculated by adding together deaths in-service with an actuarial estimate of the number of Vietnam-era veterans who have died since returning to civilian life, a much higher figure than estimated by the VA in previous reports. Research conducted by the U.S. Center for Disease Control in the early 1980s had found a number of illnesses and suicides contributing to elevated death rates for Vietnam veterans than for non-veterans in the same age group.
An alarming disparity in official VA figures reporting a dramatic decrease in the estimated number of Vietnam Era Veterans in Civilian Life from September 30, 1981 to March 31, 1983, reveals a loss of 793,000 Vietnam-era veterans in that 18-month period. The disparity was never explained. I suggest four possible explanations: (1) changed, inconsistent, and/or mistaken reporting and estimation procedures; (2) a large emigration of Vietnam-era veterans out of the U.S.; (3) a high mortality rate for Vietnam-era veterans; or (4) a combination of any and/or all of the above explanations.
On Monday, January 28, 1985, the Massachusetts Agent Orange Program of the State Office of Commissioner of Veterans’ Services released results of its study, Mortality Among Vietnam Veterans in Massachusetts, 1972-1983. The one-year study revealed that deaths due to suicides and motor vehicle accidents, along with kidney cancer, were "significantly elevated" among Vietnam veterans compared to non-veteran Massachusetts males for the study period 1972-1983.
A comprehensive research study by the University of California at San Francisco published in the March 6, 1986 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, titled "Delayed Effects of the Military Draft on Mortality," disclosed that Vietnam veterans were 86% more likely than non-veterans to die of suicide in the years after the war, and 53% more likely to die in traffic accidents. The researchers claim that this study of California and Pennsylvania men is the first to show a cause-and-effect relationship between military service during the Vietnam War and an unusual risk of suicide.
From Summer 1983 through Summer 1985 there were seven known additional suicides of Vietnam veterans in the Franklin-Hampshire County area of Massachusetts. Because one’s veteran status is often not known at time of death, whether by suicide or other cause, and because suicides are often masked under causes listed as single-car accidents, drug or alcohol overdose, etc., actual deaths by suicide remain unknown. Other veterans whom I knew in the 1982-1985 time period died of alcohol and drug abuse.
A November 1, 1984 U.S. House Report 98-1167, Diversion of Funds from Vietnam Veterans Readjustment Counseling Program, by the Committee on Government Operations, concluded that "the suicide rate among Vietnam veterans suffering from PTSD is high
. . . not because of massive underlying neuroses, but as a result of the harsh treatment they received in Vietnam, and experiences upon returning to the U.S." Dr. Arnold, Chief of Psychiatry at the VA Medical Center in Phoenix, Arizona at the time, and an acknowledged expert on PTSD, explained to the Committee that the VA’s most rece
nt statistics indicate that while Vietnam veterans make up only about 14% of the veterans they treat, Vietnam veterans constitute 30% of the suicides of all veterans treated by the VA, over-contributing substantially to the total number of suicides of patients who are treated by the VA.
Conclusion
There is no certain way of knowing how many Vietnam veterans have died through suicide, motor vehicle "accidents," or illnesses. The available evidence, both anecdotal and scientific, however, suggests elevated mortality rates from suicides, motor vehicle accidents, and certain cancers for Vietnam veterans. In some cases the data suggests mortality rates are "significantly elevated."



26 Comments
I was with the 25th inf. for my one year in V.N. and in an area that was sprayed a lot,my daughter ia now 37 and has the front of her spine deterated and as a result of that has had 12 vertabras fused and a titanum rod inserted the lenghth of her spine,I’m wondering if this was a birth defect from Agent Orange.Every time I check with the VA I seem to get the run around,can anyone out there help, Duane
You might ask the veterans advocacy group, Swords to Plowshares in San Francisco,[http://www.swords-to-plowshares.org/programsAndServices], who would be best to hear your questions about the connection between your daughter’s spinal medical problems and your exposure to Agent Orange. They may not be the right resource, but if they are not, they likely can direct you to one.
Just wondering if you’ll be posting a 10 year update to Vietnam Study Information.
Apparently 40 years after the war we are still seeing these problems.
Quote from the Chicago Tribune:
“According to data from the VA, 58 percent of the 490,135 Vietnam veterans who died from 2000 to 2007 were younger than 60.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/agentorange/chi-agent-orange2-dec06,0,2356181.story
PTSD – Iraq or Afghanistan, and over 250,000 have sought care in VA
http://www4.va.gov/OCA/testimony/hvac/070725IK.asp
Oct 3, 2007
Over the past few years 3 out of 4 veterans seeking mental health treatment for the first time are Vietnam era veterans many in the 55-64 year old age group
http://www4.va.gov/oig/pubs/VAOIG-statement-20071003-shepherd.pdf
Looking for REAL NUMBERS:
SUICIDES BY IN COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS.
NUMBER OF VIETNAM VETERANS WHO DIE EACH DAY.
nUMBER OF COMBAT VIETNAM VETERANS VS IN COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS,
THANK YOU. MAX LOFFGREN
I have no sources for that kind of very specific, and precise data. However, if you know of sources, please provide as I will surely use them.
I served w/196th Inf. Bdg. Americal Div. for 2 tours in V.N. ‘69-71. I regret and still do the “welcome back” reception we received back home. Is it possible that many of us Viet-Nam veterans still feel the neglet shown by American’s at that time to have some aspect on the “suicde” rate? Just a thought.
The va now admits that Ischemic Heart disease(blockage of the main artery)to be among those associated with agent ogange.
The Viet vet is dieing between the ages of 57 years to 68 years old.I believe this to be the number one killer of the veteran next to cancer.
I Served in the 25th Inf Div ‘67-’68 from Cu Chi to Tay Ninh and all places in between. I have had PTSD, Prostate Cancer and hearing loss. 2 others in my squad have PTSD, peripheral neuropathy, diabetes. 1 other has prostate cancer, PTSD, doabetes. Agent orange was used everywhere we went. Why did it take so long for the V.A. to finally recognize these conditions?
A good read is Fred Wilcox’s “Waiting For An Army To Die: The Tragedy of Agent Orange”(1989).
I am proud to have served with 1st Marines at Marble Mountain,DaNang, 1967-1968 when ‘my country’ called. And, I am still having issues with that experience..duh! I’ve got a PTSD claim pending but the VA Mental Health department is not staffed by people with real-life experiences anymore. I’ve met with a couple women there and explained what has been going on since then. I asked both of them if they were veterans..both said no. I asked then ‘How do you know what it’s like to be in a combat zone?’ One said, ‘I don’t have to(be a veteran),I’ve got a doctorate!
Is it possible to talk with people who do know what it’s like and even give a s_ _ _ anymore?
I SERVED WITH 1′27TH 25TH INF. KNOWN AS THE WOLFHOUNDS 1968-69. HOBO WOODS-MICHLEN RUBBER PLANTATION-MAHOME 1 & 2 out of dou tieng. they sprayed defoliation all over us but they fight us every step and try to make us prove it. god bless you all.
To Duane
No idea of your specifics
You need to enlist the help of a good National Veteran Service Officer ie Purple Heart DAV. Give them your POA.
Do not need a Purple Heart to have them represent you.
Do it if you have not.
I served with the manchus of the 25th infantry division. Agent orange was sprayed in our area of operations which was the Cu Chi and tay ninh district. When the spray was applied, the intent was to save american lives from deadly ambushs that too often took american lives in large numbers by the viet cong.
Many years later we all now know the effects of Agent Orange had on many people who served in a war we did not want no part of. The U.S. goverment should once and for all try get things right with the people of the Vietnam generation.
i was a vietnam vet and so was my brother-in-law. last friday my brother-in-law overdosed and passed away. he was 60. RIP richard, another lost soul and casualty of the war.
I served with the 507th Trans Group 70-71. I’ve finally accepted the fact that we were sent off to die for a lie. And when we came back we were greeted by a hateful nation rather than a grateful nation. Nothing anyone can ever say or do will change that. It’s a damn shame, but even though my country screwed me, I still love her.
My father was sprayed with AO multiple times during his 4 tours. I was born with a dislocated hip and had to have both my hips replaced due to unexplainable deterioration at the age of 38.I also suffered from unexplained dailey hives for TEN years….AO posterchild I would say. But what to do about it?
More importantly, my dad suffered from addiction when he returned home from Nam and could never beat it. After his 11th attempt, he finally got the peace he was searching for.On December 31, 1996 he took his own life. May he never have to try and bury the Demons of that useless war again. I miss him every day..
I am a 1964-1965 US Navy Vietnam Veteran. I served aboard the USS Fred T. Berry DD 858. I have suffered 4-5 Ischemic Strokes and 1 Ischemic Heart Attack. The Va is a disgrace to this nation. Navy and Air Force are denied claims, because they did’nt have “boots on the ground”. I have been fighting them since my first claim in 1997. I am not the only one off my ship with serious health problems. Support congressman Filner out of California. The US Government should be ashamed of itself and the treatment of its Veterans.
Vietnam Vet 1968 Blue Water Navy. Served onboard Carrier USS America CVA 66.
Read on another site that during 1968 we were doing experimental limited defoliation missions. Possibly VF 33 not sure. I’m 63 and have had the heart disease for almost 10 yrs. yet because no boots on the ground or upriver then no claim. Can’t prove the experimental mission happened but the Gov’t must have record. We get the medals then are told we’re not the Viet Vet basically. So tell the shipmates on the Forrestall that didn’t come home that they weren’t really in a war/combat zone. Really sad how we’re treated.
I want to see the Navy,Air Force and all who are denied Agent Orange claims walk on Washington, surround the capitol, hold hands and sang God Bless America!
I was in Nam for a year with an infantry platoon with the 3rd of the 17th mostly in the Tay Ninh and Di An area and for a short while in the delta.
Did Recon, and it seems to me that we really are the forgotten warriors, who came home in shame, due to the way the society treated us (yes, I was treated very poorly as where other guys I know. Lots of the guys got into drugs for alcohol and went nuts, for me and others it took years, because we shuffled off the bad dreams and thoughts and went on pretending that all was ok. One doc said that I had a problem, leaks in my brain of things that happened. I explained that I have not been ONE DAY without thoughts of Nam in the last 40 odd years.
All I can say is our government is still dicking us around, the va , and the rest of the shit. The terminology of Viet Nam Era Veteran was a way to mitigate the general populations guilt for haveing fought the war in vietnam, and made it much easier for the folks at the va in dealing with us. It was Era Vets, and I personally find that concept disgusting, I’m a vet, not one of the guys that lived in saigon on the economy with a little gook whore, but was in the field all the time.
So be it.
good luck to all the vets, and may you live long…..
I was brown water Navy I was killed in 1967 by agent orange, it’s just taking me a while to have a funeral.
I went back in 68 in the blue water Navy. At a unit reunion in 2000 there was 10 of us got to talking and out of 10, 7 of us had type 2 diabetes and none of us had any risk factors.
So far it has cost me one leg and two kidneys, I’m on dialysis three days a week for 3 3/4 hours each day.
I’d like to know how many people agent orange has killed since that war that we did not loose. When the peace talks were finalized we were the winners. We were well into our agreed to removal of troops when the North reneged and attacked Saigon as we were taking the last troops out that doesn’t mean we lost that war…
Like the bumper sticker says
” we were winning when I left “
With veterans dying from brain cancer at a higher rate than the civilian population it is the goal of http://www.vietnamveteranwives.org to expand the Agent Orange registry to include glioblastoma. http://www.vietnamveteranwives.org will present their case before The National Institute of Medicine in Albuquerque NM 16 Dec. 2010. Contact Eileen Whitacre Perkins at tjperkins@q.com. for more information.
Eileen Whitacre Perkins
Las Cruces, NM
Agent Orange Liaison
http://www.vietnamvetranswives.org
I love this country but even still today after serving 4 tours in Vietnam, getting wounded, diagnosed with agent orange, type II diabetes, heart problems, etc., our glorious government has never even said THANK YOU to all the veterans who served in Vietnam to include Korea. Its an Army that is waiting to die! I was assigned to D Troop, 1st Bn, 12th Inf (Recon), 1st Cav near the A-Valley. Sometimes I wonder how I survived. It took years for the VA to respond to my claims after 4 or 5 submissions of documents. I feel sorry for all these kids today coming back from Iraq & Afganistan because the VA drags there feet. In 6 months, 156 soldiers, marines, airmen, etc., that served in Iraq & Afganistan committed suicide & that number is going to rise. My good friend at 46 years old committed suicide. I’ve thought of suicide many times & tried twice. What kept me going were my grand children. I wonder how many of your friends have committed suicide. He was a door gunner in Vietnam. All I can say is Hang in There & God Bless all of you!
I served with the U.S. Army; 4th I.D.,2/8th Inf.; RVN 1969-1970. I served as a squad leader in the infantry in Vietnam. I am currently reading Winston Churchill’s books entitled: “The History of the English Speaking Peoples”. From the same I discerned that a civilian population and a government can behave in an very treacherous, discriminatory, and oppressive manner out of shear malice, for unjust political reasons, and/or for profit. He describes that on one occasion returning war veterans from Europe, both officers and men, were “thrown out into the streets or made into highwaymen” and “hunted down and destroyed.” Vietnam veterans should realize that their unjust and oppressive treatment has similarly occurred to veterans of other nations in the past. The lesson to be learned is that when a government and a citizenry demands that you sacrifice your future and possibly your life for them through military service, don’t trust them to compensate you for your sacrifice. Expect them to, instead, sacrifice you, again, for their selfish economic, political, and social needs.
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[...] America has a very complicated relationship with its soldiers and the military. The failure to win the war in Vietnam ushered in a new era of how we relate to our boys (and girls) in combat. As Harvard Sitikoff said, by the time the troops returned from Vietnam, the American people no longer wanted to be reminded of our longest and costliest war, the only one we had ever lost. Instead of being thanked, the soldiers themselves were shunned or branded murderers and psychos. Virtually nothing was done to help them reintegrate into society. It has been claimed that more men committed suicide after the war than died in it. [...]